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    Quote Originally Posted by danthomas25 View Post

    Yes
    And the first post didn't answer your question??

    I didn't think they were sufficiently close enough, could you detail which example(s) you mean pls (though I appreciate you said 'from memory').
    Well this should be enough..
    EIM32080 - Travel expenses: travel for necessary attendance: definitions: temporary workplace: limited duration, the 24 month rule

    But there is an example about a new base in London which is
    Travel expenses: travel for necessary attendance: definitions: temporary workplace: example

    Doesn't that answer your question? Two bases in London covered. Check. 40% rule covered Check.

    I thought a change of client would be sufficient but my accountant suggested otherwise.
    I guess I thought that as it was a new company, that would be sufficient. It seems not?
    Completely wrong. You've not read a single thing have you?

    So I looked at the examples and various wordings and thought perhaps there was sufficient justification to allow claiming again based on the location of work.
    But perhaps I'm just hoping.
    It would appear so.

    So things seem to be leaning towards "no you cant" but wondered if anyone had been in a similar situation and could share their thoughts.
    That should be a flat no. No leaning, swerving, heading towards. It's a brickwall no.

    Happy to hear opinion on the above.
    As above with all the relevant legislation attached. That should just about cover it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danthomas25 View Post
    I have found not all bulletin boards are the same.

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    Am sure your cojones are bigger than that. Just ignore me. There are plenty of helpful posters on here willing to help with any questions you may have. I like people to go away with an understanding not an answer but not everyone likes my approach.

    Don't be offended by my style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northernladuk View Post
    But there is an example about a new base in London which is
    Travel expenses: travel for necessary attendance: definitions: temporary workplace: example

    Doesn't that answer your question? Two bases in London covered. Check. 40% rule covered Check.
    Well... EIM32089 mentions two workplaces in the City of London - specifically Lombard Street and Cheapside, which are within half a mile of each other. Given the banking context of that example I believe an argument could be made that by 'City' this example (which of course isn't legislation itself) is talking about the Square Mile. Equally an argument could be made that one could have two temporary workplaces in the much wider area of "London", and the strength of that argument would IMHO depend upon the difference between the two journeys' duration and cost.

    (edit:EIM32280 supports those duration and cost criteria:
    The basic principle is that a change in the location or the boundaries of a workplace will be recognised as a change of workplace where the change has a substantial effect on:

    the journey an employee has to make to get to work and, in particular,
    the cost of that journey.
    In practice you should recognise the change of workplace in all cases except where the change has made no significant difference to the commuting journey.
    )

    We (or at least those of us genuinely in business and not just taking the p) weigh up logic of such arguments and our appetite for risk and make our decisions... which is fine until they move the goalposts retrospectively ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by matzie View Post
    Well... EIM32089 mentions two workplaces in the City of London - specifically Lombard Street and Cheapside, which are within half a mile of each other. Given the banking context of that example I believe an argument could be made that by 'City' this example (which of course isn't legislation itself) is talking about the Square Mile. Equally an argument could be made that one could have two temporary workplaces in the much wider area of "London", and the strength of that argument would IMHO depend upon the difference between the two journeys' duration and cost.

    We (or at least those of us genuinely in business and not just taking the p) weigh up logic of such arguments and our appetite for risk and make our decisions... which is fine until they move the goalposts retrospectively ;-)
    If the journey is significantly different, then claim; if not then don't. Use your judgement about what is significantly different because HMRC won't do it for you until it's too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matzie View Post
    Well... EIM32089 mentions two workplaces in the City of London - specifically Lombard Street and Cheapside, which are within half a mile of each other. Given the banking context of that example I believe an argument could be made that by 'City' this example (which of course isn't legislation itself) is talking about the Square Mile. Equally an argument could be made that one could have two temporary workplaces in the much wider area of "London", and the strength of that argument would IMHO depend upon the difference between the two journeys' duration and cost.

    We (or at least those of us genuinely in business and not just taking the p) weigh up logic of such arguments and our appetite for risk and make our decisions... which is fine until they move the goalposts retrospectively ;-)
    Very good point. Which is why I think people need to understand rather than just get an answer. Very rarely do we get enough information in a post to be able to cover every angle and some of the smaller details can make a huge different to the outcome. If you understand the rule you can then come to the correct decision rather than us taking a stab with half the information.

    Doesn't explain why I'm an arse about it though....
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    OP did say the majority of the journey is the same.

    I'd suggest that, given the consensus is 'probably not', there's nothing to lose in asking HMRC for the answer - just make sure that, if they say yes, you get it in writing!

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    Not a chance. Fails on 24 month rule. The journey change is not significant enough. Your accountant is right and probably knows more about your situation than we do yet still you question it. But if you'd rather, claim it, and see what happens.

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    Has anyone asked HMRC if a journey change between Bank London and Canary Wharf is sufficiently different enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoogie View Post
    Has anyone asked HMRC if a journey change between Bank London and Canary Wharf is sufficiently different enough?
    Do we need to? It's about 5 miles isn't it?... Is that really significantly different in cost and distance??
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